tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5834507208618294785.post7665834821115996868..comments2024-01-08T00:42:27.477-08:00Comments on Taking a Shot: Evisceratedjesse8888http://www.blogger.com/profile/04372291760946904904noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5834507208618294785.post-91916309673897303142010-03-08T21:35:24.802-08:002010-03-08T21:35:24.802-08:00LOL thanks for reading Mike and thanks for taking ...LOL thanks for reading Mike and thanks for taking the criticism so well. By now I'm sure you've heard the news, so I wish you all the best in your quest to bust your fellow props.jesse8888https://www.blogger.com/profile/04372291760946904904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5834507208618294785.post-35137884061405497192010-03-05T17:57:20.149-08:002010-03-05T17:57:20.149-08:00at 14k youre way under rolled for the job. that 40...at 14k youre way under rolled for the job. that 40 game is juicy but plays big. i like working with you, even if i am a spew monkey (i wont deny it, i am), but i do think nl or online would be more to your liking. i might try and switch to graveyard myself, the lack of hours we're playing lately is getting old. either way, i wish you the best.mike l.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16748243845461453404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5834507208618294785.post-82274243482324330182010-03-05T13:52:52.096-08:002010-03-05T13:52:52.096-08:00Put Danielle first, work graveyards or the same ti...Put Danielle first, work graveyards or the same time she usually does. With that said, it sounds like you aren't mentally ready for 40/80 propping so maybe you should see if there is opportunity for you as a 20/40 prop.<br /><br />If those opportunities (the time or stakes) aren't available for you, then play on your own at 20/40. When you rebuild a good roll, I suggest trying to get a partial stake to play 40/80 so maybe financially you're playing at 30/60 or something.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01023877876744327821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5834507208618294785.post-19877139126776733882010-03-05T13:31:26.074-08:002010-03-05T13:31:26.074-08:00From my experience online the 300 BB bankroll requ...From my experience online the 300 BB bankroll requirement seems pretty small, especially in aggressive games. I had a 400BB downswing at 0.5/1 over about 20K hands. Fortunately, I had won ~600 BB at 0.5/1 when this happened, and I had 1000 BB bankroll online before I started playing at this limit, so I never felt like I would be wiped out and finally played through. Ran at 3BB/100 for January.<br /><br />I think you need to move down. I'm guess you need 500-600BB bankroll for those super aggressive games.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5834507208618294785.post-92197897987668235842010-03-04T19:29:57.625-08:002010-03-04T19:29:57.625-08:00There is no doubt in my mind that Jesse is a very ...There is no doubt in my mind that Jesse is a very switched on guy. That is why I read his blog. What is evident in his blog recently is frustration. My point was that changing games, per se, is not a panacea for the frustration of running bad. Yes NL is a good way of raping the fish but it is also a wild ride when running bad against even fairly soft opponents. Same as LHE. Getting the stack in on the flop when you are a 4:1 favourite and still getting sucked out on when you are multiple BI down already is just as soul pwning as putting in 3 extra bets in the call the C/R on the turn + call river scenario is for a limit player who is used to making every single bet count.<br /><br />Of all the online pros, no one is more honest about running bad than Brian Townsend. Down $4mill in recent weeks but still grinding. Check out his blog at CardRunners and note his discussion of pain. Jesse might need to find an answer that won't take weeks/months to realise but I await news of the next steps in his journey with interest and wish him well.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00837217208401161798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5834507208618294785.post-57687731867413856152010-03-04T18:28:12.312-08:002010-03-04T18:28:12.312-08:00Transition to NL would be easy for Jesse; might ta...Transition to NL would be easy for Jesse; might take weeks/months to feel comfortable, but he'd do it more quickly and effectively than most. As for TPGK, it works both ways; you can be pusher or pushee. NL won't be any more frustrating than what J's already faced in L, maybe less so. Besides, I think Jesse's ready to run good again!!timilonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12188296373767330899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5834507208618294785.post-23267664731368186682010-03-04T17:32:19.039-08:002010-03-04T17:32:19.039-08:00You run bad.
All of the above advice has merit at...You run bad.<br /><br />All of the above advice has merit at a general level but since you have invested so much in LHE, moving over to NLHE is not as easy as it sounds. The posters above fail to mention how easy it is in NHLE to be bet/shoved off TPGK type hands on a draw heavy board. That is a world of frustration all of its own.<br /><br />I think the best advice was from MitchL in the exploited thread. But those advocating a check on the turn in that hand to get to the river for the same cost have a good idea too. The constant theme for all of us is assigning ranges to the villain. For that purpose, you need to get to some showdowns obviously. The underlines the great advantage of LHE. In that hand you were going to get good information for just one more bet. I know that paying for information is a vexed subject, but fwiw if you are playing against a villain that is skilled and you want/need to equal/beat him, then your choice is to go the long road and experience the frustration of taking stabs in the dark or look for spots where you likely have good showdown value and can pay off cheaply for information if you are beat.<br /><br />Play the stakes that your bankroll can handle. You can't beat the math on that one.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00837217208401161798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5834507208618294785.post-54269926731826754732010-03-04T12:42:30.100-08:002010-03-04T12:42:30.100-08:00Obviously, you are a competent limit-hold’em playe...Obviously, you are a competent limit-hold’em player.<br /><br />1. Even though limit hold’em is largely math and analysis (well suited to your background) rather than art, how well do you read other players? I’ve often thought that after attaining a reasonable level of technical competence in limit, ability in non-verbal communication, especially detecting weakness in another player could easily be the difference between winning and losing. Granted, if someone doesn’t realize they hold a flush, it might be hard to read that particular tea leaf. Still, I believe that non-verbal communications skills can be learned and they aren’t simply “something you are born with.”<br /><br />2. Is you bankroll just too small to play 40/80 limit, even with otherwise favorable table conditions (much less without them)? <br /><br />3. How about getting with a coach?<br /> GOOD LUCK!TomBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09561520843587241409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5834507208618294785.post-29193427717605407522010-03-04T10:09:55.100-08:002010-03-04T10:09:55.100-08:001 more thing...
There's no shame in calling. Y...1 more thing...<br />There's no shame in calling. You've beem raising too often, too thin (imho)! Play some small-ball.timilonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12188296373767330899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5834507208618294785.post-70095590604291170762010-03-04T08:18:02.296-08:002010-03-04T08:18:02.296-08:00As suggested before, move to NL! You'll find m...As suggested before, move to NL! You'll find more ways to exploit weaker players, see more flops cheaper, bluff better, etc. At least give it a try, maybe 2-5 level for starters.timilonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12188296373767330899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5834507208618294785.post-62318627307335299022010-03-03T21:22:00.968-08:002010-03-03T21:22:00.968-08:00You have my sympathies, but I'm not sure what ...You have my sympathies, but I'm not sure what else I can offer that's particularly useful.<br /><br />$10k is only 125BB at 40/80, and is the sort of swing you should probably expect from time to time. The problem is when the down swing is not offset by a similar upswing at another time.<br /><br />I have had a fair few down swings in the region of 100BB playing 6max online (3/6-6/12), and at least one one 150BB swing in the space of a few hours. <br /><br />The advantage online is that the swings don't last as long in absolute terms, so the mood swings and self doubt that go with them tend not to be as damaging.<br /><br />It sounds to me that propping is not doing you any favours, forcing you to play under really adverse conditions or not at all. I'd suggest kicking the prop job for now, dropping back to the stakes and conditions where you are most comfortable and grinding back up there.The blindmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02677139641680516700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5834507208618294785.post-88342292010863568622010-03-03T17:32:20.380-08:002010-03-03T17:32:20.380-08:00Ever consider moving over to NLHE? Seems like it ...Ever consider moving over to NLHE? Seems like it would be a lot easier to defenestrate (also fun word!) the fish by actually being able to take their entire stack (or huge chunks of it) and price them out from their terrible draws. <br /><br />In my limited (very) low stakes casino experience, many players just play fit or fold and are passive. Seems like playing at those stakes consistently would let you grind out a pretty low variance profit following strategies that worked online years ago.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00901586645206399559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5834507208618294785.post-71462749620812242792010-03-03T16:47:20.976-08:002010-03-03T16:47:20.976-08:00I've always considered propping as an excellen...I've always considered propping as an excellent way to take all the fun and nearly all the profitability out of poker.<br /><br />I am not sure what the pay is, but I know the house's take per player-hour. On that basis I am pretty confident they couldn't pay me enough to work as a prop.<br /><br />So my recommendation, of course, is to give up dreams of paychecks and employer health insurance and go back to playing for yourself.<br /><br />I think with control over your schedule, limits, and game-selection you can make more money playing. If your goals are to improve your game, and hence your long-term profitability, you can do that too.ExMemberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02937409741397055710noreply@blogger.com